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Title: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 09, 2010, 12:06:14 AM
just moved in to my newly purchased loft/1-room studio.

problems i have:
-entrance door has large gaps that need to be filled (leak sounds in and leak my sounds out (i like my privacy and dont want neighbors walking by to easily hear music/tv/sound)
-can hear neighbors at night on occasions - especially small dog (high pitched yalp) and baby.

take a look at these photos and tell me what i need to order.
highest priority and easiest job to do first is probably the door.

i read here:
http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/soundproofing_doors.htm
but cannot find any place or the link to purchase a door sweep?

also - i think much of the sound from my neighbors might be coming from the gaps at the top of the drywall.  it doesnt make a perfect seal because the concrete isn't perfectly smooth.

take a look in the photos at the gaps at the top of the drywall and the concrete ceiling...those need to be filled.

i cant pinpoint (directional) the sound when i can hear the neighbors...but it sounds like it might be coming from that area.

what kind of calk should i use?

also, on my main walls - id like to go with the MLV - but i need to make sure im not eating too much real estate up, as my place is already quite narrow...and i have large, long walls to cover.

supersoundproofing, please let me know what i should order.

thanks,

hallway laeding to bathroom and entrance door (top priority):
-notice gaps at top of drywall
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2161/66576509.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4312/24035247.jpg

concrete ceiling + long wall
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7049/68468928.jpg

rest of studio:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9283/52062190.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1800/89608857.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8222/83272868.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6603/45650325.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5674/94983734.jpg

thanks!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 11, 2010, 12:04:58 AM
Here is the link for the transom seal and tape to seal the door.

http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/products.asp?dept=31

now for the MAJOR gaps, you will need more than caulking maybe some wood slats to replace the missing ones. Here is the link for the caulking.
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09%2D42745%2DS

Now for your walls you could add MLV w/psa backing followed by green glue (3 tubes per 4'x8'sheet) and 5/8" drywall. You wont lose alot of real estate.

http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09%2D00005%2D55R%2DPSA

http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09%2D%2DGREENC

Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 12, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
randy - thanks for the quick reply.

how many tubes of accoustic caulk do you think i'll need (just a rough estimate, if you can tell from the photos)...ill order more than needed just in case / fix other areas.

when you say wood slats, you mean an "L" shaped slat (perpendicular) to put over the corner (almost like wood trimming for the ceiling)??
something like this (random google image)
http://www.crdfinishing.com/images/Crown%20Moulding%20&%20Ceiling%20Trim.jpg

would you still recommend stuffing the gaps with Great Stuff, then using accoustic caulk, and then maybe overtop of that the wood trimming/slats?
thank you!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 12, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
I can Not estimate the amount of anything from just pictures, Sorry.
a 29oz. tube will deliver 75lf. at 1/8" bead.


As for the large openings or gaps, filling them up and sealing them is what's most important.

Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 15, 2010, 03:59:49 PM
Randy,
back to the door.

Ok - so I'll order the following:

Rubber Door Sweep:
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09%2D42746%2DT

Tape to use to tape the gaps between the sides/top of the door and the seals (so there is no play/gap in between - as long as the door still shuts without catching on the tape):
order the 1/8" and apply multiple layers until gap is sealed:
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09%2D42745%2DG2%2D75

now, the door feels fairly solid...however, it would probably still make sense to cover the door and overlap the side/top gaps/openings of the door sill/frame for extra protection.
would something like this be what i need? (and has self adhesive so i can just stick it/apply it right to the door)?
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09-42730-PSA

how would the 1" thick compare with the 2" thick for my case? (e.g. using it on a door).

thank you! looking forward to playing an order asap.
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 15, 2010, 07:46:01 PM
Looks good! go with the 1" it will be just fine.
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 15, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
Here are some photos of my door.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4579/img9122d.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8084/img9119d.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3038/img9118r.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2762/img9117w.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9919/img9116l.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1914/img9113k.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8652/img9111.jpg
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/5889/img9109w.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1962/img9108u.jpg



Should I primarily place the tape on the sides/top of the door itself, or do i want to apply the tape to the frame of the door?

and regarding the 1" SSP foam mat - will that be worthwhile if I don't add MLV underneath?
or would it be better to go MLV w/ closed cell foam (if i can only afford one at the moment)...which option is best?

also in the photos, notice there is a metal door stop on the outside/hallway-side of the door..i wonder if i should remove that and install a rubber sweep on both sides of the door?

thank you!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 15, 2010, 10:47:35 PM
one last question regarding the tape for the door;
my door is 1.75" thick.

is the black and gray tape the same material? you have more width selections in gray than you do black,
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09-42745-2B
vs
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09-42745-G3-75

my door being 1.75" means you dont have an extra width of tape for me ... so i'll just have to trim it a bit
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 16, 2010, 01:46:21 PM
disregard that last question - it looks like i'll want to be taking the door frame, and *not* the edges of the door itself ... so last question is irrelevant.
e.g. see photos:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/926/door2g.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/197/doorc.jpg


but please confirm that the gray and black take are indeed the same material/quality/etc.

thanks,
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 17, 2010, 06:46:20 PM
ok the black 1" tape is when you address BOTH the door stop and part of the jamb face. Which you have illustrated in your pics.
The gray PVC tape is for just addressing the door stop only.
 The reason for this, is if the tolerence from the door to the jam is less than 1/8" the door will tear the foam off the jamb face. Therefore you use the 1/4 width PVC tape.
 
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 18, 2010, 01:53:21 AM
Randy,
thanks again for speaking with me.

I've ordered the following:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ITEM#          DESCRIPTION                            QTY    TOTAL
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09-42746-T     SSP Transom Sound Seal Door Sweep      1   

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09-42745-G3-75 SSP Gray PVC Tape for door             1     

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
09-42745-S     SSP Acoustical Sound Sealant (Caulk)   3   
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
09-42745-2B    SSP Black Vinyl-Nitrile Tape 1/8" thick  1     

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
09-42745-BS-1/2SSP Acoustical Sound Backer Square foam 2   
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


should get me started with taping the door / installing door sweep, as well as stuffing the ceiling gaps with the backer square and then finalizing with the acoustic caulk.

please let your boss(es) know the benefit of this forum and great communication was the reason i have made my purchase (and future purchases) through your company.

cheers!
keep you posted how things turn out.


also,
looking at the following image:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2059/doorframe.jpg
i know you said only to do the 1/8" thick, 1/2" width gray PVC tape for my door stop (marked in red)
on the left side of my door (dead-bolt side of the door), there is about a 3/8" gap all the way up and down, so i might experiment with squeezing one layer of 1/8" black tape in there as well. (blue markings in the photo) - i think 1 layer should fit uninterrupted when closing the door.

also,
looking at this image:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3038/img9118r.jpg
the metal door sweep on the outside of the door - after installing the rubber sweep on the inside, i might investigate installing another rubber sweep on the outside...as the metal sweep is essentially worthless (there just for physical protection of the door)

thanks again!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 18, 2010, 02:14:36 AM
and randy, i ordered the 1/2" thick gray PVC tape because my door stop is about 1/2" thick...but wouldnt it maybe make sense to order 1" thick and have it overlap a bit ???you would see a small amount of tape from looking at the door from the outside, but wouldnt the overlap help a little bit versus only having the tape stop at the leading edge?
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 18, 2010, 07:04:59 PM
Yes overlap is fine as long as you create the seal,and for the 1" that would be fine also,as long as the door action doesnt tear the tape off the jamb or bind the tape up.
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 26, 2010, 12:07:50 AM
received my first shipment :)

tested on the bathroom door first
gray pvc on the door stop (2 and even 3 layers in some places)
and also applied some of the black 2" thick tape along the door frame to fill the gap in a bit more (still plenty of room so the tape doesnt get caught on the door when closing).

very very solid feel now - im loving it.  turned the hair dryer on and shut the door - what a difference!
only sound is that coming from the small gap at the bottom of the door (nothing i can do since it has to swing over a bathroom rug)

can't wait to tackle the main entrance door tomorrow along with the door stop...

question on the door stop; am is the metal part supposed to be on the outside, or is the metal frame supposed to be on the inside (e.g. which orientation)...


also received some backer square, but the size is quite large (smallest you had was 1/2" thick)...and the gaps at my ceiling are smaller..so ill try trimming that down and then stuff in as much as possible - then caulk over.
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on February 26, 2010, 12:12:12 AM
You mean on the Transom seal? if so, outside..you want to see all the aluminum of the sweep
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on February 26, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
yes, the door sweep/seal...got it - aluminum should be showing once installed.
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on March 01, 2010, 07:22:03 PM
having more issues with the larger entrance door on taping the door seals...as things aren't perfectly aligned.

in some places, even one application of the 1/8" gray tape is too thick for the door to close properly...and others small spots can take 2-3 layers to form a good seal.

problem im going to have with the door sweep is, there is a gap difference between when i have the door shut (door sweep should be flush with the floor) and when i open it ... with there being a SMALLER gap when the door is swung open...so i might have to install the door sweep with a small gap at the bottom (when shut) so that it clears the floor when i swing the door fully open (so it doesnt catch)...less than optimal.

i have hard-wood floors. is there anything i could apply to the bottom of the door sweep like WD-40 or something to reduce the co-efficient of friction between the rubber door sweep and the floor (when sliding open)?  i dont want the rubber sweep getting caught/dragging/lots of friction on the floor when swinging it open. 

Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on March 01, 2010, 07:29:43 PM
Do the best you can do as far as the tape goes, this is quite common.
As for the door, fix the "action" of the door as it stands right now the door drops when opening therefore you will have to undo the top hing and chisle a couple mm of the wood to change the action.
Its better to have the door "lift" or level when opening as apposed to dropping as it is doing now.
Make sense?
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on March 01, 2010, 08:16:22 PM
Yes, thank you
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on March 01, 2010, 10:21:07 PM
So at lunch I realized you have the metal door.....you will need to shim the bottom hinge to aling the door .......
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on March 08, 2010, 10:26:16 PM
randy, worked out pretty well...flush on one side of the door but the door sweep on the other side isn't perfectly flush (because the gap is smaller as i open my door).

however, i think ill order install another sweep on the other side of the door and it will be able to be mounted to the door gaurd mounted to the floor...so it'll be flush on that side...a little extra sound protection :)


now, on to my metal patio door to my porch;

see these photos:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/368/img9174g.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2765/img9173u.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4531/img9172o.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7280/img9171l.jpg


just order the door sweep for "metal doors" ? nothing special to comment on besides the width i need?
thanks!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on March 08, 2010, 10:34:42 PM
I would replace the threshold first!...that thing has seen better days!....they make some with a rubber loop on the threshold, or get one that is a bit wider so the transom has a ledge to seat itself on.
No matter what approach the seal is our goal. :)
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on March 09, 2010, 12:06:04 AM
got it.
just moved in (michigan), so as the snow melts im finally able to take a look at things like this patio door...long ways to go.
ill let you know what i find, but ill start with the threshold!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on April 04, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
how long should the acoustic caulk take to cure/dry?
it's been 1.5 days and it's still putty-like to the point where i can smudge it around.

should i give it a few days before applying a second application?
thanks!
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: localhost127 on April 04, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
http://shop3.mailordercentral.com/supersoundproofing/prodinfo.asp?number=09-42745-S
oh, i see it is meant to remain flexible.

how long until i should apply a 2nd coat?
Title: Re: Studio/Loft - Need soundproofing asap!!!
Post by: Randy S on April 05, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
24 hours is fine...this caulk will never harden. you can paint over it if you like.